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It seems eminent that the trial of the 9/11 Guantanamo Bay detainees will not be held in New York City, NY, USA after all.

So where should it be other than at Gitmo, where it should have been held in the first place?  44% of people think the suspected terrorists linked to 9/11 trials should be held at Guantanamo Bay, but 49 % think the trials of suspected terrorists linked to 9/11 be held in the continental United States but not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.  http://race42008.com/2010/02/01/poll-watch-rasmussen-survey-on-terror-trials/

The trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed won’t be held in lower Manhattan and could take place in a military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay, sources said last night.  Administration officials said that no final decision had been made but that officials of the Department of Justice and the White House were working feverishly to find a venue that would be less expensive and less of a security risk than New York City.  http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2010/01/30/bay-what-guantanamo-eyed-for-911-trial/ 

Gee, thanks for trying to save us some money and put an end to the hassle of holding a trial in NYC.   

…no mistake about it. A trial of KSM and other designated detainees accused of terrorist acts at the Manhattan federal courthouse will carry with it an enormous price, measured not only in dollars. Lives will be disrupted. Several federal judges, as well as prosecutors who were previously involved in terrorist cases, lived for years under the complete protection of the U.S. Marshals Service. Lawyers and litigants in unrelated cases will face a huge inconvenience upon approaching and entering the courthouse. And it cannot be disputed that the security measures necessary to prosecute KSM will be felt, like shockwaves, through lower Manhattan. So the real question is not whether another federal court or another federal facility would be better suited; the real question is whether civilian authority should have to bear the burden of prosecuting non-citizen terrorists. writes http://blackpoliticalbuzz.blogspot.com/2010/02/obama-admin-dithering-on-terror-trial.html

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Sunday threatened to try to cut off the cash the Obama administration will need to shut down the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and hold terrorism trials in U.S. courts. A day after the White House abruptly changed course and said it was reconsidering its decision to hold a terrorism trial in downtown New York, the Kentucky Republican mocked the Obama administration for citing former President George W. Bush as a precedent for holding such trials on U.S. soil. via http://www.americanconservativedaily.com/2010/02/gop-idea-slash-cash-for-gitmo-shutdown/

So, where?  What to do with Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab and Khalid Sheik Mohammed, barring setting them free on the streets of ground zero?

Forbes offers a look at America’s most miserable cities. http://www.forbes.com/2008/01/29/detroit-stockton-flint-biz-cz_kb_0130miserable.html with Detroit coming in at number one. 

Baltimore and St. Louis still have among the worst crime rates when 2008 crime statistics are adjusted for socioeconomic factors, says the Baltimore Sun. http://thecrimereport.org/2010/01/29/baltimore-st-louis-crime-rates-among-highest-in-adjusted-rankings/

On Friday, Ohio Job and Family Services reported that the statewide unemployment rate for December was 10.9 percent, up from 10.6 percent in November.  Among Ohio’s largest cities, Youngstown had last month’s highest jobless rate.http://www.marionstar.com/article/20100127/NEWS01/1270306/-1/newsfront2/December-unemployment-rate-jump-causes-concern.  Youngstown half way between Pittsburgh, PA and Cleveland, OH could use a boost in the economy and there is a federal courthouse.

Las Vegas homeowners had the highest U.S. foreclosure rate last year, and California and Florida cities accounted for 17 of the nation’s 20 worst markets as unemployment extended the housing recession.  http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-28/las-vegas-california-cities-top-foreclosure-list-in-2009.html  Nah, someone just tried to shoot up the federal courthouse there. Pass.

Top 10 Worst Traffic Cities in the United States For 2009:http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/2009/07/08/top-10-worst-traffic-cities-in-the-united-states-for-2009/

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana CA  New York-Newark NY-NJ-CT  Chicago IL– IN  Atlanta GA  Miami FL   Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington TX Washington DC-VA-MD   San Francisco-Oakland CA  Houston TX  Detroit MI

Its already going to be a fluscter cluck, so rule these cities out on security reasons alone!

How about Nebraska, not much news from there these days?  Cold as hell and there’s a lot of open areas.  Cheyenne, Wyoming?  Maybe a suburb of Iowa- the potatoes are all nestled in their bed for winter.

Maybe the Florida Keys?  There is only one bridge to cross, and the government could run it like it does an airport screening facility.

It’s awfully cold in Alaska, perfect for detainees who are used to kneeling toward the sun while it warms their ass.

Of the ten worst named cities in America, http://www.toptenz.net/10-worst-named-cities.php, our personal vote of where the trials should be held is the town of Intercourse, PA. 

The taxpayers are getting screwed anyway, so the town of Intercourse seems a logical choice.  Since there isn’t a federal courthouse, we can just spend some of the remaining TARP funds to stimulate it’s economy.  Perhaps there is a little wiggle room in the $3.8 trillion dollar budget from President Obama to garner whatever would be necessary to hold the trial there. Surely the local Amish population would pitch in, as many of them are known for being master carpenters.  

Attorney General Eric Holder might want to consider moving there as well.  He can visit the home of North America’s largest African Elephant “Fannie.” on Mondays through Fridays at the Intercourse Zoo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse,_Pennsylvania

Whatever city is chosen for the trial, it is going to be a fiasco on American soil- all at the expense of the thousands who died on September 11.

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We know that you knew, that they knew, you know? 

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, Israeli intelligence Aman, and others warned with credible evidence of a major attack on the United States prior to September 11, 2001. THE WMD Guidebook show here was in use prior to 911.  In Pakistan and other Muslim countries they believe that the attacks were part of an Israeli conspiracy, but there is little doubt that it was Osama bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network who were responsible for the attacks. 

Diligence or luck has prevented another attack on U.S. Soil even though VP Joe Biden has predicted that within six months of his administration, Obama would be tested just as John F. Kennedy was.  This is day 101.

You “Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy,” Biden said. “And he’s gonna have to make some really tough — I don’t know what the decision’s gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you, it’s gonna happen.” http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/20/1572652.aspx

The current crisis is Obama having declassified and released memos detailing the programs used to question al Qaeda suspects. Is water boarding torture, did it violate U.S. and international laws?  Has Obama has endangered the country by releasing CIA secrets.  Contradicting himself, he also said he would not necessarily oppose an effort to pursue a “further accounting” and investigation into the Bush-era interrogation program that included waterboarding, sleep deprivation, forced nudity, shoving people into walls and other methods.  You want to bet we’ll see a full blown investigation of the CIA Interrogation program that reveals more secrets for the terrorists to use against us? 

Even Donald Rumsfeld on a Larry King Interview prior to 911 said, “Well, we have to recognize that it’s a dangerous and untidy world. There’s a lot of very powerful, lethal weapons that exist and ways that people can impose enormous damage. And we have to be vigilant. We have to be willing to invest to see that we have the kinds of capabilities that we can deter and defend and, where necessary, preempt. ” http://www.september11news.com/Mysteries3.htm  He went on to mention that on the morning of 911 he predicted there would be an event that would occur in the world that would be sufficiently shocking that it would remind people, again, how important it is to have a strong, healthy Defense Department that contributes — that underpins peace and stability in our world.”

I call foul. Everyone knew something was about to happen and all that Intel slipped through the cracks allowing the most horrific attack on U.S. soil since Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.  Bush had more faulty Intel on Iraq.  We caught a few bad guys and even released some but when some piss ants cry foul about how we treat (-ed) enemy combatants, you have to wonder what information was gathered to prevent further incidents.  Why are members of Congress are doing a tight wire dance to relieve themselves of any association with interrogation procedures that not only did they know about, but worked. 

From the Herald Tribune today, http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090422/ARTICLE/904221065?Title=In-embrace-of-harsh-tactics-no-inquiry-into-their-past In 2002, “As was common with the most secret programs, the C.I.A. chose not to brief the entire committees about the interrogation methods but only the so-called Gang of Four — the top Republican and Democrat on the Senate and House committees. The rest of the committee members would be fully briefed only in 2006.” The 2002 Gang of Four briefings left a hodgepodge of contradictory recollections that, to some Congressional staff members, reveal a dysfunctional oversight system. Without full staff support, few lawmakers are equipped to make difficult legal and policy judgments about secret programs, critics say.

Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, who in 2002 was the ranking Democrat on the House committee, has said in public statements that she recalls being briefed on the methods, including waterboarding. She insists, however, that the lawmakers were told only that the C.I.A. believed the methods were legal — not that they were going to be used.  By contrast, the ranking Republican on the House committee at the time, Porter J. Goss of Florida, who later served as C.I.A. director, recalls a clear message that the methods would be used. “We were briefed, and we certainly understood what C.I.A. was doing,” Mr. Goss said in an interview. “Not only was there no objection, there was actually concern about whether the agency was doing enough.”  http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE53J6MS20090422?sp=true  He said, she said- they all knew it was going on and although morally reprehensible, legal.

Intel and congress knew attacks were imminent.  Intel and congress knew exactly what was happening at Guantanamo.  Peter J. Goss has the balls to actually admit that the information they got from torture, prevented further plans to destroy and attack America.    If acts of mental and physical ability to resist, resulted in saving American lives and halting the spread of terrorism, then so be it and Goss should be looked at as a hero not a scapegoat.

At the very least, if Obama wants to declassify details of the programs, he needs to declassify the findings as well.  By all accounts they acted legally within the interpretation of the law. I don’t have to like how they did it, but any future terrorist now knows that torture will not be a part of a deterrent to committing crimes against America. 

Transparency in America shouldn’t be good for the terrorists. 

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