I am convinced that Barry Baraq Mohammed Hussein Dunham Sottero Obama Jr., is not a natural born citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution to be President. If Obama wins the election as most polls predict, Obama will be an Unconstitutional President the second he raises his right hand to God or Allah and takes the Presidential Oath of Office.
In the opinion of groups like Family Security Matters, “unless Obama can produce an authentic birth certificate proving that he is a “natural born citizen,” then every Democrat member of Congress, every person managing Obama’s campaign, every officer and director of the Democrat National Committee, and every person who has ever taken an oath to “support and defend” the Constitution and is now supporting an Unconstitutional candidate for president, has participated in a vast left-wing conspiracy to defraud millions of Democrats out of hundreds of millions of dollars to elect an Unconstitutional President.” http://familysecuritymatters.org/docLib/20080805_VoterGuide_Aug_4_2008CATOKvf1.pdf
In concealing the whereabouts of his birth, Obama so far has succeeded in dodging the most fundamental requirement of eligibility as President. Numerous legal proceeding have been filed against Obama to provide proof of his citizenship but most cases have been quick in responding with motions to dismiss further allowing That One to continue to perpetrate fraud on the American people. Berg vs Obama was dismissed by the US District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania last week, for lack of standing, he has appealed to the Supreme Court. No facts were ruled valid or invalid as they have not been heard. Berg and all citizens of The USA must query the authority of Judge Surrick’s District Court’s decision and the eligibility of Obama’s citizenship. Berg commented:
“This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don’t have standing, if you don’t have standing, if your neighbor doesn’t have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States – the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world – then who does?”
Summarily, “Berg’s suit sought to present evidence that Obama may have been born in Kenya, where under the law at the time, his mother (a U.S. citizen) would have had to have been 19 years old to have conferred her citizenship to him. (Obama ACKNOWLEDGES dual citizenship with Kenya on his website https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/splashmagnet_octexp). Berg also sought to produce evidence that Obama later held Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and moved with him to Indonesia. Indonesia and the U.S. did not recognize dual citizenship at the time, so the only valid citizenship he would have held in that case is Indonesian. He would have expatriated any U.S. or other citizenship held.” http://www.chronwatch-america.com/articles/3830/1/Berg-vs-Obama-Headed-for-Supreme-Court/Page1.html Even if he subsequently regained U.S. citizenship, it would be thru naturalization, which is expressly ineligible to serve as President of the United States under Article II of the Constitution!
Berg v. Obama No. 08-cv-04083. can be followed here.
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/2-news/49-press-release-10-30-2008-berg-filing-injunction-to-stay-presidential-election further explains his appeal to the Supreme Court here.
The Supreme Court is a busy place and . But remember: On November 4, we vote for electors, who then vote on December 15 for the President.
Technically, there’s still time, though time is of the essence. The Electoral College consists of 538 popularly elected representatives who formally select the President and Vice President. In 2008, it will make the selection on December 15. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States).
Perhaps the October Surprise will come in time for Christmas.
Thy will be done, let justice be served
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The rev dr kamal karna k roy moved the u s d court in e d of pennsyvania at 601 market st , Philadelphia pa 19106 for a declaratory udgement pursuant to u s constitution and other statutes of usa to void appointment of Mr b h obama as u s president wef 1.20. 2009 and as except obama all resigned except dr roy, the hope of being u s president wef 1.20 2009, the rev roy filed 228+ civil actions to void election of obama as he was no us born citizen or he he never produced authentic birth records & he went on claiming citizenship of ijndonesi when dual citizenships, the president us if obama had had lost his right to be u s citizen, if any and ineligible t be president usa ; Prayers, misc was made to court including prayer to remove him from Presidency , usa, and declare the rev roy, he later. the only eligible candidate left to be u s president & he may be sworn in as president and/or he be paid lost wages for 4 yrs wef 1.20. 2009 as us president for lost opportunity and wages. Misc other reliefs were demanded in petition file on 5.26.2009
the prayer also included for court ordered suggestion to u s attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to civil and criminal investigations on obama citizenhip at birth and how he maintained u s citizenship without break and aquiring u s citizenship again without official record at justice dept
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LISA N ROY, the rev; an internet nursing director, reforms internationa new york. etcand a democratic reforms agent, editor publications
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you may search ” federal justia docket ” with plaintiff as “roy ” et al for hundreds of court actions with allegations how obama and/or national democratic party, washington dc, et al were responsible for neglect on laws of usa, & cause denials to weaker people of u s communities to & for leadership in usa viz for job of u s president w e f 1, 20 . 2009. the U S American God/s of religions, USA govt, states of usa, f e c , washington dc, and u s american news industry did violate democratic principles to promote obama to rise to power with/out his eligibility on ground of suspected issue of his u s citizenship on valid birth records. validity of laws were tactfullyu and illegally made invalid to rise of obama, wheras the candidates abd hopeful were eliminated various times in the election process of u s president during 2007 & 2008 . the complaints, lawfully submitted to u s courts of dozen of dozens in volume were censorred. Freedom of information act, us anti trust laws were severely harmed by 40,000 + defendants who were named in court actions.Notanbly 45,000+ nos plaintiffs all represented by the rev dr kamal k roy were cited in various actions in usd courtm appeals court, us supreme court, washington dc 2 petitions with similar allegations at international court of Justice at peace palace, the Hague, The Netherlands
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special note. A total of 214+ U S D court actions and/or u s appeals court in cirsuits in usa and/or us Supreme court, Washington dc and/or international court of justice at thw Hague, Netherlands actions were filed upto & including april 1, 2009 alleging corruptions & non eligibility of B H obama as non U S Citizen at birth allegations against b h Obama , et al including usa as defendants by rev dr kamal k k roy aka & WAS BORN AS j. G. jr IN guam , us TERRITORY WITH 2 U S PARENTS, as plaintiff for self and upto 27999+ NOS OTHERS AS PLAINTIFFS AGAINT 25999+ DEFENDANTS TO ALLEGE CORRUPTIONS AND VIOLATIONS AND LOSS OF SOVEREIGNTY OF usa, AS AND WHEN OBAMA TOOK OFFICE OF US PRESIDENT ON 1 . 20. 09 WHILE DR ROY DID NOT RESIGN HOPE AND CLAIM TO BE ELIGIBLE CONTENDER FOR U S PRESIDENT AS OTHERS IN FIELD HAVE RESIGNED HOPE FOR PRESIDENCY OF U S ,& OBAMA MAY BELEGALLY CALLED ON LIMBO US PRESIDENT AND/OR ON DEFAULT PRESIDENT OF USA W E F ..20. 2009 PENDING OUTCOME OF COURT ACTIONS IN DOMESTIC USA OR iNTERNATIONAL COURT, i c j ON OBAMA. SEE THE WORLD EVENT AS LAWS TURN EVENTS OF HISTORY. oBAMA B H MAY HAVE TO ACCEPT THE VERDICT OF LAWS, ALTHOUGH HE TURNED UNEXPECTD MOST POWERFUL IN MODERN HISTORY.lAWFULLY THE MOST POWERFULS WENT DOWN THE SLOPE DOWN FAILING TRUTH AND VIOLATIONS OF LAWS, SAID DR ROY ON 4.1 . 2009 FOR WE THE PEOPLE OF USA & WORLD OF DEMOCRACIES OUTSOURCE USA
special note. A total of 214+ U S D court actions and/or u s appeals court in cirsuits in usa and/or us Supreme court, Washington dc and/or international court of justice at thw Hague, Netherlands actions were filed upto & including april 1, 2009 alleging corruptions & non eligibility of B H obama as non U S Citizen at birth allegations against b h Obama , et al including usa as defendants by rev dr kamal k k roy aka & WAS BORN AS j. G. jr IN guam , us TERRITORY WITH 2 U S PARENTS, as plaintiff for self and upto 27999+ NOS OTHERS AS PLAINTIFFS AGAINT 25999+ DEFENDANTS TO ALLEGE CORRUPTIONS AND VIOLATIONS AND LOSS OF SOVEREIGNTY OF usa, AS AND WHEN OBAMA TOOK OFFICE OF US PRESIDENT ON 1 . 20. 09 WHILE DR ROY DID NOT RESIGN HOPE AND CLAIM TO BE ELIGIBLE CONTENDER FOR U S PRESIDENT AS OTHERS IN FIELD HAVE RESIGNED HOPE FOR PRESIDENCY OF U S ,& OBAMA MAY BELEGALLY CALLED ON LIMBO US PRESIDENT AND/OR ON DEFAULT PRESIDENT OF USA W E F ..20. 2009 PENDING OUTCOME OF COURT ACTIONS IN DOMESTIC USA OR iNTERNATIONAL COURT, i c j ON OBAMA. SEE THE WORLD EVENT AS LAWS TURN EVENTS OF HISTORY. oBAMA B H MAY HAVE TO ACCEPT THE VERDICT OF LAWS, ALTHOUGH HE TURNED UNEXPECTD MOST POWERFUL IN MODERN HISTORY.lAWFULLY THE MOST POWERFULS WENT DOWN THE SLOPE DOWN FAILING TRUTH AND VIOLATIONS OF LAWS, SAID DR ROY ON 4.1 . 2009 FOR WE THE PEOPLE OF USA & WORLD OF DEMOCRACIES OUTSOURCE USA
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save usa ave usa top control in usa is going to an aien. save usa to maintain u s sovereignty. make obama a u s citizen by emergency statute in an emergency base. hon g w bush may bail out the misfit situation in the usa history since 1776. we are afraid u s a may turn under a BE U S A PRESIDENT.
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save usa ave usa top control in usa is going to an aien. save usa to maintain u s sovereignty. make obama a u s citizen by emergency statute in an emergency base. hon g w bush may bail out the misfit situation in the usa history since 1776. we are afraid u s a may turn under a british rule, the magic_lamper aladin type poltico obama b h changes his name , nationality , birth records as and when deem necessary for him, he is able to change governor of a state in illinois, he may turn rezco a member as if none of his close associate, he may turn a mentor priest for long 2 0 years as if no person to him, that is obama b h.obama coul do anything good or bad or worse , or worst to usa. now he isready to break u s soverinty, us constitution but people united in usa, as we the people beat wrong intent,if any more of obama falacy or wrong steps by enacting new law. making him us citizen at birth , and make him a non magical prsonality in usa then mend or amend him to his real size, for good of u s america. He may not be ideal person though he is a leading person in usa and we do not know a true color person in obama , black, white or mixed or he is beyond color base, so our eyes are incapable to view him good or bad. the comments were borrowed from the reverend dr kamal karna roy, who is not a magician,he is who would like no magic to play with fate of a nation viz usa or nations at large.
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save u s american sovereignty enact new statute on emergency basis in usa with support of hon gw bush , u s house of representative , u s senate on or before 1.20. 2008 before b h obama i takes job of u s president to save usa from a foreigner, obama b h violate u s sovereignty & u s statute in respect of laws that an alien or person not a u s citizen at birth is not eligible to be u s president. Obama if lawfully elected ther was no emegency. 3 civil suits were lawfully filed in 3 u s d court jurisdictions where dr kamal k roy was legal contender to be elected as u s president w e f 1.0. 2009, 7 HIS CLAIM WAS NOT WITHDRAWN AS YET ON 12.30. 2008 AS THE LEGAL ACTIONS IN THE CAMPAIGN VIOLATIONS IN 2007 – 08 WERE PENDING IN 157+ SEPARATE CIVIL ACTIONS FILED BY SAID ROY TO ADJUDICATE TRUTH AND JUSTICE AS HE WAS VIOLATED BY 12995+ MISC DEFENDANTS INCLUDING UNO, USA GOVT, OBAMA B H ET AL , & SUCH ACTIONS WERE PENDING IN USDC IN USA, USCA IN 10+ CIRCUITS OF USA, THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, WSHINGTON DC & IN THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTOICE & INTERNATIONAL COURT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT THE HAGUES, THE NETHERLANDS,IN MANY ISSUES OF ALLEGATIONS INCLUDING MCCAIN J S AND B H OBAMA WERE NOT U S CITIZEN AT BIRTH THOUGH BOTH HAD AT LEAST ONE U S CITIZEN AT BIRTH PLACE OF BIRTH ACTUALLY OR PRESUMABLY OUTSIDE USA IN PLACES LIKE PANAMA CANAL ZONE AS OF 1936 AND OBAMA’S BIRTH OF ASSUMED ONE OF MANY PLACES FAKED BY OBAMA FOLKS OR OBAMA AS A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE TO HIDE TRUTH OF HIS NATIONALITY AT BIRTH.THE LEGAL MEASURES TO RESOLVE THE LEGAL JEOPARDY WAS MADE IN 3 ACTIONS VIZ USDC NEW JERSEY TRENTON, USDC HAWAII A T HONOLULU, HI, USDC EDPA AT PHIL PA WITH A PRAYER TO COURT TO LAWFULLY SUGGEST HON G W BUSH US PRESIDENT BAIL OUT U S POLITICAL ND U S CONSTITUTIONAL JEOPARDY TO TRY TO ENACT A U S LAW ON EMERGENCY BSE TO DECLARE ALL PERSONS WHO WERE BORN ON EATH IN LAND, SEA OR PERIPHERY OF EARTH VIZ AIR WITH AT LEAST ONE VERIFIED U S PARENT & WHO IS NOT A CONVICTED FELON IN ANY COUNTRY NOTED IN UNO CHARTER, BE DECLARED U S CITIZEN DEEMED TO BE BORN IN USA. COURTS ARE WINGS OF GOVT IN USA. THAT WITH COMPLAINTS OF U S BORN CITIZEN SORROUNDING ACT OF VIOLATIONS LEADING LOSS OF SOVEREIGNTY COURTS CAN LAWFULLY SIUGGEST A MEASURE TO U S CONGESS ,HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE, U S SENATE, U S INCUMBENT PRESIDENT HON G W BUSH THE NEED OF LEGISLATION TO HELP OBNA BE WITHIN LAW TO BE US PRESIDENT. DR ROY WHO WA TRAINED IN USA IN MANAGEMENT, WITH MBA DEGREE DOCTORAL DEGREES IN MANAGEMENT, RELIGIONS & LAWS FROM OUTSIDE USA & ADV DIPLOMA IN PUBLIC ADMN FROM U S D A gRADUATE SCHOOL , WASHINGTON DC (1972 ID 578 80 4399 &MBA SUNY MARITIME COLLEGE BRONX, FORT SCHUYLER NYC, 1974 ID 578804399 MAY NOT BE JUDICIALLY WRONG TO DEFEND U S SOVEREIGNTY, BY LOSS OF LAWS FOR CREATING AN UNLAWFUL OR NOT DULY DOCUMENTED PERSON OR ILLEGAL ALIEN TO BE U S A PRESIDENT.
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save u s american sovereignty enact new statute on emergency basis in usa with support of hon gw bush , u s house of representative , u s senate on or before 1.20. 2008 before b h obama i takes job of u s president to save usa from a foreigner, obama b h violate u s sovereignty & u s statute in respect of laws that an alien or person not a u s citizen at birth is not eligible to be u s president. Obama if lawfully elected ther was no emegency. 3 civil suits were lawfully filed in 3 u s d court jurisdictions where dr kamal k roy was legal contender to be elected as u s president w e f 1.0. 2009, 7 HIS CLAIM WAS NOT WITHDRAWN AS YET ON 12.30. 2008 AS THE LEGAL ACTIONS IN THE CAMPAIGN VIOLATIONS IN 2007 – 08 WERE PENDING IN 157+ SEPARATE CIVIL ACTIONS FILED BY SAID ROY TO ADJUDICATE TRUTH AND JUSTICE AS HE WAS VIOLATED BY 12995+ MISC DEFENDANTS INCLUDING UNO, USA GOVT, OBAMA B H ET AL , & SUCH ACTIONS WERE PENDING IN USDC IN USA, USCA IN 10+ CIRCUITS OF USA, THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, WSHINGTON DC & IN THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTOICE & INTERNATIONAL COURT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT THE HAGUES, THE NETHERLANDS,IN MANY ISSUES OF ALLEGATIONS INCLUDING MCCAIN J S AND B H OBAMA WERE NOT U S CITIZEN AT BIRTH THOUGH BOTH HAD AT LEAST ONE U S CITIZEN AT BIRTH PLACE OF BIRTH ACTUALLY OR PRESUMABLY OUTSIDE USA IN PLACES LIKE PANAMA CANAL ZONE AS OF 1936 AND OBAMA’S BIRTH OF ASSUMED ONE OF MANY PLACES FAKED BY OBAMA FOLKS OR OBAMA AS A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE TO HIDE TRUTH OF HIS NATIONALITY AT BIRTH.THE LEGAL MEASURES TO RESOLVE THE LEGAL JEOPARDY WAS MADE IN 3 ACTIONS VIZ USDC NEW JERSEY TRENTON, USDC HAWAII A T HONOLULU, HI, USDC EDPA AT PHIL PA WITH A PRAYER TO COURT TO LAWFULLY SUGGEST HON G W BUSH US PRESIDENT BAIL OUT U S POLITICAL ND U S CONSTITUTIONAL JEOPARDY TO TRY TO ENACT A U S LAW ON EMERGENCY BSE TO DECLARE ALL PERSONS WHO WERE BORN ON EATH IN LAND, SEA OR PERIPHERY OF EARTH VIZ AIR WITH AT LEAST ONE VERIFIED U S PARENT & WHO IS NOT A CONVICTED FELON IN ANY COUNTRY NOTED IN UNO CHARTER, BE DECLARED U S CITIZEN DEEMED TO BE BORN IN USA. COURTS ARE WINGS OF GOVT IN USA. THAT WITH COMPLAINTS OF U S BORN CITIZEN SORROUNDING ACT OF VIOLATIONS LEADING LOSS OF SOVEREIGNTY COURTS CAN LAWFULLY SIUGGEST A MEASURE TO U S CONGESS ,HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE, U S SENATE, U S INCUMBENT PRESIDENT HON G W BUSH THE NEED OF LEGISLATION TO HELP OBNA BE WITHIN LAW TO BE US PRESIDENT. DR ROY WHO WA TRAINED IN USA IN MANAGEMENT, WITH MBA DEGREE DOCTORAL DEGREES IN MANAGEMENT, RELIGIONS & LAWS FROM OUTSIDE USA & ADV DIPLOMA IN PUBLIC ADMN FROM U S D A gRADUATE SCHOOL , WASHINGTON DC (1972 ID 578 80 4399 &MBA SUNY MARITIME COLLEGE BRONX, FORT SCHUYLER NYC, 1974 ID 578804399 MAY NOT BE JUDICIALLY WRONG TO DEFEND U S SOVEREIGNTY, BY LOSS OF LAWS FOR CREATING AN UNLAWFUL OR NOT DULY DOCUMENTED PERSON OR ILLEGAL ALIEN TO BE U S A PRESIDENT.
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emergency act needed to save usa sovereignty and u s const.3 usdCourts applied/alerted suggest gwbush enact?
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save u s american sovereignty enact new statute on emergency basis in usa with support of hon gw bush , u s house of representative , u s senate on or before 1.20. 2008 before b h obama i takes job of u s president to save usa from a foreigner, obama b h violate u s sovereignty & u s statute in respect of laws that an alien or person not a u s citizen at birth is not eligible to be u s president. Obama if lawfully elected ther was no emegency. 3 civil suits were lawfully filed in 3 u s d court jurisdictions where dr kamal k roy was legal contender to be elected as u s president w e f 1.0. 2009, 7 HIS CLAIM WAS NOT WITHDRAWN AS YET ON 12.30. 2008 AS THE LEGAL ACTIONS IN THE CAMPAIGN VIOLATIONS IN 2007 – 08 WERE PENDING IN 157+ SEPARATE CIVIL ACTIONS FILED BY SAID ROY TO ADJUDICATE TRUTH AND JUSTICE AS HE WAS VIOLATED BY 12995+ MISC DEFENDANTS INCLUDING UNO, USA GOVT, OBAMA B H ET AL , & SUCH ACTIONS WERE PENDING IN USDC IN USA, USCA IN 10+ CIRCUITS OF USA, THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, WSHINGTON DC & IN THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTOICE & INTERNATIONAL COURT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT THE HAGUES, THE NETHERLANDS,IN MANY ISSUES OF ALLEGATIONS INCLUDING MCCAIN J S AND B H OBAMA WERE NOT U S CITIZEN AT BIRTH THOUGH BOTH HAD AT LEAST ONE U S CITIZEN AT BIRTH PLACE OF BIRTH ACTUALLY OR PRESUMABLY OUTSIDE USA IN PLACES LIKE PANAMA CANAL ZONE AS OF 1936 AND OBAMA’S BIRTH OF ASSUMED ONE OF MANY PLACES FAKED BY OBAMA FOLKS OR OBAMA AS A MATTER OF CONVENIENCE TO HIDE TRUTH OF HIS NATIONALITY AT BIRTH.THE LEGAL MEASURES TO RESOLVE THE LEGAL JEOPARDY WAS MADE IN 3 ACTIONS VIZ USDC NEW JERSEY TRENTON, USDC HAWAII A T HONOLULU, HI, USDC EDPA AT PHIL PA WITH A PRAYER TO COURT TO LAWFULLY SUGGEST HON G W BUSH US PRESIDENT BAIL OUT U S POLITICAL ND U S CONSTITUTIONAL JEOPARDY TO TRY TO ENACT A U S LAW ON EMERGENCY BSE TO DECLARE ALL PERSONS WHO WERE BORN ON EATH IN LAND, SEA OR PERIPHERY OF EARTH VIZ AIR WITH AT LEAST ONE VERIFIED U S PARENT & WHO IS NOT A CONVICTED FELON IN ANY COUNTRY NOTED IN UNO CHARTER, BE DECLARED U S CITIZEN DEEMED TO BE BORN IN USA. COURTS ARE WINGS OF GOVT IN USA. THAT WITH COMPLAINTS OF U S BORN CITIZEN SORROUNDING ACT OF VIOLATIONS LEADING LOSS OF SOVEREIGNTY COURTS CAN LAWFULLY SIUGGEST A MEASURE TO U S CONGESS ,HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE, U S SENATE, U S INCUMBENT PRESIDENT HON G W BUSH THE NEED OF LEGISLATION TO HELP OBNA BE WITHIN LAW TO BE US PRESIDENT. DR ROY WHO WA TRAINED IN USA IN MANAGEMENT, WITH MBA DEGREE DOCTORAL DEGREES IN MANAGEMENT, RELIGIONS & LAWS FROM OUTSIDE USA & ADV DIPLOMA IN PUBLIC ADMN FROM U S D A gRADUATE SCHOOL , WASHINGTON DC (1972 ID 578 80 4399 &MBA SUNY MARITIME COLLEGE BRONX, FORT SCHUYLER NYC, 1974 ID 578804399 MAY NOT BE JUDICIALLY WRONG TO DEFEND U S SOVEREIGNTY, BY LOSS OF LAWS FOR CREATING AN UNLAWFUL OR NOT DULY DOCUMENTED PERSON OR ILLEGAL ALIEN TO BE U S A PRESIDENT.
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govt at all levels must try to upkeep laws of land. whenever corrupption is alleged some formal investigations are needed. Big politicians or small village officials may both kinds be arrogant violators of laws.
political bitterness and deficits in truth in elements of eligibility in leadership in democracy viz b h obama issue of his non eligible to be president of usa can only be resolved with some settlements on issues , and not by forceful suppression of truth viz non birth u s citizenship on 8.4. 2008 anywhere on earth in usa of any place on earth, on sea, sky or land on or around earth. an alien father of obama and 18 yr u s woman as mother of delivered baby on 8.4.1961 could not make b h obama , now known as, could not alter his alien birth by statues on 8.4.61:
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election petition file in us d court for montana jurisdiction; office helena MT for electora capaign violations in the judicial district for damages to electoral defeat of candidate hopeful and rebel gop at the election who secured some electoral vote as evidenced; dr roy complained that an noneligible candidate viz bh obama stole election from bonafide candidates including dr kamal roy in nov 4 2008 election dr kamal roy raised campaign fund for the election at outsource usa operations within legal means to an amount u s $ 66.95in millions and spent moneny raised overseas and outsoure on onine electoral campaign to elect the rev dr kamal karna roy to be a gop president w e f 1.20.09 which apparently failed due misconducts of defendants,9399 in nos, incuding u s a govt, mr bh obama, democratic national committee, fec, washington dc. u s american based god/s of religions in usa who are democratic entities ( see 2006-07 et al citing og usc appeals court 10th & 3rd in appeallat action viz jungle democracies, oppressions on weaker people by k k roy v usa govt, god/s et al:;prayer included that court prohibit electors of electoral college from members of districtof Montana as bh obama was ineligible as candidate of us president to be on 1.20.2009 as was alien, undocumented by law , non us citizen at birth on 8.4.1961 ,whether he was horn in sky, on sea or land outside usa or at honolulu hi as he was fathered by kenyan black alien and presumably us mother viz ann stanley dunham aged only 18 yrs , thecircumstance make baby obama now known as bh obama after a few name and nationality changes turned as powerful as a black god of hindus viz “krishna”, an alleged super god/ politician/king,the later meant no democratic laws, no standard ethics to follow. 7 bh obama who is 1/2 african black, 1/2 usa white, amixed color male person turned almost superior to hindu black god “krishna” edeology, hindu mythology, religious faiths of hindu. but bh obama had had a barrier such as although black god krishna of hindus had had to prove his nationality and events of truthful birth but bh obamanow ,got to prove his events of birth , his flow chart to america usa. & nationality of allegedly fake us citizenship on 8.4. 1961. dr kamal roy us citizen at birthijn guam,an mba from suny, 1974 maritime college id 578804399, doctoral dergrees from abroad, ll. b (law) frm accredited foreign school; adv cert in public adn from usda graduate school, washtington dc;197, id 578804399, was n early age orphan but raised almost good and properly educated,an author including publication “jungle democracies, oppressions on weaker people vis kamal roy, opressors now included b h obama, a magiclamper,aladin, arabian fable type politician. now assumed pres elect usa.but as a lawyer himself obama never learnt that laws wre laws: he is not a “krishna” of mythology, he had had to follow u s american laws to prove he was eligible for u s president w e f 1.20 .2009; obama may not be allowed u s american constitution to rerail u s american freedom once again to a possible britisher, bh obama (kenya was a brish colony of some type on 8 . 4.1961 the date of some incarnation of a black god, or equivalent of hindu oncept of religions.
11. 22 .2008 : MAY BE WORLD HISTORY WILL MAKE A CHANGE OF WRITING TREND OF WE THE PEOPLE IN USA OF ANY DEMOCRACY IN GLOBE TO FIGHT BACK THE IMPOSED LEADERSHIP SECURED BY SOMEBODY BY MANIPULATIONS OF EVENTS AS FOUND IN U S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTORAL COMPETITION OF 2008 WHERIN THE WEAKER CANDIDATES OR CONTENDERS FROM WEAKER COMMUNITIES VIZ ONE THE REV DR KAMAL KARNA ROY AN ORDAINED CLERGY ON VOW OF POVERTY AS A CLERGY WAS THROWN OUT OF RESIDENTIAL RACE Y NEGLECT OF U S CAMPAIGN LAWS OR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES OF MANY , NOW DEFENDANTS IN COURT IN CIVIL ACTION BELOW OR ABOVE IN US FEDERAL COURT NOW AND/ORMANY ACTIONS NOW REMAIN PENDING IN 9+ U S C APPEALS COURT IN CIRCUITS ( 9 +) AND NONE+ ATLEAST AT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SUPREME COURT AT WASHINGTON DC AS OF 11.22. 2008. aLLEGATIONS INCLUDED OBAMA AND HIS SSOCIATES USED ILLEGAL RACIAL POLARIZATION OF PEOPLE OF BLACK ORIGINS BY USING ICONS IN BLACK COLOR PERSONS LIKE OPRAH WINFREY AND MR COLLIN POWELL EX US GENERAL, WHERE AS, OPRAH WAS A QUEEN OF TALK SHOW IN USA/WORLD BOTH OF THE PERSONALITIES GREW IN U S CIVILIZATION IN WHITE MAJORITY NATION VIZ USA: BUT IN 2008 USED , AUSED DAMAGED NATIONAL POLITICS MAKING ISSUE OF BLOCK COLORED PEOPLE. . CAMPAIGN OF OBAMA USED UNKNOWN TSUMANI FORCE TYPE MONEY FLOW IN HIS CAMPAIGN 2007-08, AND CAMPAIGN ALTERED THEME OF PUBLIC FINANCING IN CAMPAIGN TO DAMAGE CANDIDATES LIKE DR KAMAL ROY. ALL ISSUES OF ILLEGAL PLATFORMS WERE SCRIBED IN PUBLIC IN WEB PAGES, 100000+ WEB PAGES OF DR KAMAL KARNA ROY CAMPAIGN 2007-2008. tHE FEDERAL U S AGENCY FAILED EVEN TO CORRECT/AMEND MISTAKE MADE BY THEM IN RECORDING OF DATA, NAMES OF CANDIDATE VIZ KAMAL KARNA ROY,WITH REPEATE RQUEST WITH THEM AS WELL AS COMPLAINTR FILED WITH THEM BY CANDIDATE DR ROY, THE WRONG RECORDS CAUSED PROBLEMS FOR DR KAMAL ROY AND HE WAS FORCED TO TAKEHELP OF OUSOURCE USA U S ORGANIZATIONS AND HELP OF FOREIGN ASSOCIATES FOR RAISING CMPAIGN FUND FOR KAMAL KARNA ROY, TRHE REV DR, A MOBILE CLERGY OF GLOBE, AUTHOR OF PUBLICATIONS INCLUDING ELECTRONIC PUBLICATIONS OF IDEAS OF FAILING DEMOCRACIES WORLD WIDE INCLUING, USA. iN MOST DEMOCRACIES ABUSIVE HUMAN_GODS , AND NOT ” WE THE PEOPLE DICTATE TERMS OF LEDERSHIP, ETHICS, PLATFORMS OF POLITICAL AGENDAS TC ETC , AND DR ROY NAMED EVENTS AND SCRIPTS OF SUCH DEMOCRATIC PATTERNS WORLD WIDE AS “JUNGLE DEMOCRACIES, CAT AND MOUS DOCTRINES OF OPPRESSION ON WEAKER PEOPLE, ALIENS, ILLEGAL ALIENS ( EXCEPT POSSIBLY BARACK HUSSAIN OBAMA, DEMOCRAT, NOW ASSUMED PRES-ELECT USA, TO CURB OPPREESSION ON HIM AND TURNED INTO OPPRESSOR , HIMSELF AAND HE BECAME LIVING LEGEND, LIKE A MYTHOLOGICAL HINDU BLACK GOD/KING/RULER OFD MAHABHARATA,VIZ”KRISHNA”, ALTHOUGH HE HAD HAD MANY SCRIBED QUALITIES IN HIS CHARACTER, BUT ACTED AS MORE OR LESS DEVIL CHRACTER OF MYTHOLOGY OF HINDUS ET AL
. LORD KRISHNA BETAYED LOVE, PASSION WITH A GODDESS LIKE DEITY ” SRI RADHIKA”, THAT WAS SCRIBED AS DIVINE LOVE. IN FACT RADHIKA WAS A MARRIED WOMAN WHO LEARNT TO BETRAY A HUSBAND FOR LOVE, PASSION OF WOMANHOOD. KRISHNA BETAYED WAR POLICIES IN NAME OF DIVINITY TO DESTROY EVILS FROM SPECTRUM OF COMMONERS , IN AS IF IMPERIAL DEMOCRACY. oBAMA A 1/2 WHITE + OTHER HALF AFRICAN BLACK DIFFENTIATE WITH BLACXK GOD KRISHNA IN SKIN COLOR AS A WHOLE, BUT HIS ETHICS HAD BEEN EVEN INFERIO TO THOSE OF KRISHNA ( QUOTED FROM JUNGLE DEMOCRACIES : AUTHOR :CANDIDATE KAMAL K ROY.OBAMA’S BIRTH RECORDS SUGGEST HE WAS NO U S CITIZEN AT BIRTHIF BORN IN USA OR OUTSIDE, IN SKY, LAND ORON SEA,BUT HE HADALIEN TO US ; FATHER + US MOM OF 18 YRS AT BIRTH OF OBAMA AS A NEW BORN, AND ON AUG 4,1961 LAWS HE CAN NOT BE DESIGNATED AS U S CITIZEN AT BIRTH, IF OBAMA BH. IS NOT A DIVINE OR DEVIL CHARACTER OFANY MYTHOLOGICAL IRRELEVANT FEATURE OF TRUE DEMOCRACY. eVEN HINDU BLACK GOD KRISHNA HAD HAD TO COME UNDER SCRUTINY OF U S LAWS IF KRISHNA WAS BORN ON AUG 4, 1961 UNDER SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES OF PARENTS. SO OBAMA B H MAY HAVE TO ANSWER IN TRUTH AND PUBLIC RECORDS TO PROVE IF HE WAS LAWFULLY U S ITIZEN AT BIRTH.
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10.22. 2008 affidavit under penaty of perjury dated 10.22. 06 by dr kamal k roy 14 kiwassa rd, saranac lake new york for legal action and arrest of obama by u s law enforcement authorities. as an alien is breaking u s statute and u s constitution. Obama foreign citizen must be stopped from alleged opffence before he pollutes the white house, washington dc under foreign national’s control of power.sos sos: Waikiki Beach Walk, Waikiki(HI)$6,700,000 87-825 Farrington Hwy, Waianae(HI)$459,000 94-226 Haea Pl, waipahu(HI)$699,000 91-1033 Hokuwekiu St, kapolei(HI)$699,500 49 W. Lipoa Street, kihei(HI)$719,000 68-3584 Haena St., waikoloa(HI)$529,000 45 Kai Ala Drive, lahaina(HI)$525,000 Maui Vista#2406, kihei(HI)$525,000 1020 Aoloa Place #206A, kailua(HI)$549,900 828 Makaala Dr, wailuku(HI)$625,000 67-190 Kuhi Street, waialua(HI)$625,000 View all homes for sale in Honolulu, HI Honolulu buzz Open Question: KAMAL KARNA ROY,DR,AUTHOR, STATESMAN US GOP PRESIDENTIAL YET 2008 HOPEFUL ATLEAST AS REBEL GOP , & B H OBAMA ? WORLD CONFERENCES OF HINDU RELIGIOUS PUNDITS DEMANDED TO EXAMINE IF BARAK H OBAMA IS INCARNATION OF KRISNA_GOD? ACCORDING TO THE REV DR KAMAL KARNA KARUNA ROY AN YET U S PRESIDENTIAL GOP HOPEFUL ATLEAST AS A REBEL GOP HOPEFUL IN ALL BALLOTS OF NOV 4 2008 U S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2008 AS DR DR ALLEGED HUMAN_GODLIKE PERSONALITY IZ OBAMA, MCCAIN IN USA DERAILED DR ROY’S OPPORTUNITY TO CONTEST AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY POSITION /JOB OF U S PRESIDENT A/C CORRUPTIONS INCLUDING MISREPRESENTATION OF THEIR NATIVE BORN STATUS IN USA VIZ MCCAIN BORN OF US PARENTS IN PANAMA CANAL ZONE … View All WORLD CONFERENCES OF HINDU RELIGIOUS PUNDITS DEMANDED TO EXAMINE IF BARAK H OBAMA IS INCARNATION OF KRISNA_GOD? ACCORDING TO THE REV DR KAMAL KARNA KARUNA ROY AN YET U S PRESIDENTIAL GOP HOPEFUL ATLEAST AS A REBEL GOP HOPEFUL IN ALL BALLOTS OF NOV 4 2008 U S PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2008 AS DR DR ALLEGED HUMAN_GODLIKE PERSONALITY IZ OBAMA, MCCAIN IN USA DERAILED DR ROY’S OPPORTUNITY TO CONTEST AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY POSITION /JOB OF U S PRESIDENT A/C CORRUPTIONS INCLUDING MISREPRESENTATION OF THEIR NATIVE BORN STATUS IN USA VIZ MCCAIN BORN OF US PARENTS IN PANAMA CANAL ZONE IN 1936 WITHOUT LEGAL JURISDICTION OF USA, ON A LEASED LAND BECAME GOP NOMINEE WITH ENCOURAGEMENT FROM U S SENATE , THE LATER OPINED ON A NON BINDING U S SENATE RESOLUTION THAT INCLUDED STATEMENT (ILLEGAL) THAT MCCAIN IS ELIGIBLE TO CONTEST U S PRESIDENT ELECTION NOV 2008. oNLY US COURTS AND ON APPEAL TO UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT CAN DECIDE IF MCCAIN WAS NATIVE BORN U S AMERICAN BY STATUTES OF CONGRESS OF USA.COURT’S AUTHORITY WAS STOLEN BY U S SENATE, A DEFENDANT IN DR ROY’S 125+ US DISTRICT COURT ACTIONS PENDING IN COURTS AND US COURT OF APPEALS FOR 9TH CIRCUIT IN SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA. oBAMA’S BIRTH IS OBSCURED BY DIVINE ACTS OF CRIME INFESTED RECORDINGS. OF BIRTH BY OBAMA’S FAMILI INCLUDING HIS U S MOTHER ANN STANLEY DUNHUM. OBAMA BORN OF AFRICAN BLACK FATHER FROM KENYA IN 1961, KENYA THEN A BRITISH COLONY WAS BORN ATLEAST 1/2 BLACK WITH CURL BEUTIFUL HAIRS OF AFRICAN ORIGIN, AFRICAN AMERICANS OF USA ARE FAIRER. ANYWAY OBAMA IS KRISHNA COMPLEXIONED. OBAMA BIRTH AS IS OBSCURED . KRISNA BORN IN A HINDU JAILHOUSE OF ONE KINGDOM ESCAPED JAIL WITHOUT INTERVENTION OF JAIL_GUARDS AND BY SWIMMING HUNDREDS OF MILES WITH ASSISTANCE OF AN ASOCIATE REACHED ANOTHER HINDU KINGDOM TO SAFETY AS A MINI GOD. OBAMA REPORTED BORN IN KENYA POSSIBLY DID NOT SWIM ALL THE THOUSANDS OF MILES OF OCEAN TURBULENT WATER TO SAFE HAVEN OF HAWAII ISLAND OF USA TO TAKE OTHER TWO RECORDED BITHS IN TWO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS IN HONOLULU, HI; MOTHER STANLEY OF OBMA GOT THE BIRTH REGISTERED IN HAWAII IN VIOLATION OF U S LAWS AS GOVT OFSTE OF HAWAII WAS NOT RECORD BIRTH OF AN ALIEN BABY. AS US AMERICAN MOTHER ,STANLEY DID DELIVER BABY OBAMA ON EARTH FOR SURE, WITH MATE AS ALIEN OF USA, AN AFRICAN, AT AFGE 18.IN 1961 LAW OF USA WAS THAT STANLEY HAH HAD TO BE ATLEAST 5 YEAR OLDER THAN HER OWN U S CITIZENSHIP AT 16 YEASS OF AGE I E ATLEAST 21 YRS TO CORRECTLY GIVE BIRTH TO A NATIVE BORN U S AMERICAN, THUS OBAMA WAS ILLIEGAL ALIEN ENTRANTS TO U S SOIL WITH CORRUPT STANLEY. BAMA COULD NOT BE CORRUPT AT BIRTH WHEN HE WAS SO YOUNG. oBAMA EDUCATED AT HARVARD UNIVERSITY AND COLUBIA UNIVERSITY TURNED KRISHNA TYPE POWERFUL GOD OR POLITICAL MAGICIAN OF 21ST CENTURY.LAW IS LAW oBAMA NEVER PROVED HIMSELF AS PROCESS LAWFULLY IN USA AS US NATIVE BORN. oBAMA NEEDS TO BE TAKEN IN CUSTODY OF U S IMMIGRATION LAWS BY HOMELAND SECURITY DEPT, WASHINGTON D C AS HE IS A LAWYER POLITICIAN OF DEMOCRATIC . EVEN IF WE SUPPOSE THAT HE IS A MINI INCARNATION OF GOD KRISHNA. HE HAD HAD TO FOLLOW LAWS OF USA. eVEN JESUS IF INCARNATES IN USA NOW HAS TO RECORD HIS BIRTH. gOD KRISNA OF HINDUS WAS TRICKY. HE TRICKED LOVE AND PASSION WITH SRI RADHIKA, NEVER MARRIED HER LAWFULLY. KRISNA LIED OR ASKED ARJUNA TO SAY ASTHAMA HOTA NARA NAHI GAJA: SO IS OBAMA ,AS HE KNOWS NOW HOW TO LIE A LOT. mAKING FALSE PROMISES TO US more
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RE: Follow-up post to swtchr
The “retroactive aspect” of the law quoted relates to a previous provision that allowed only a male to transfer United States’ citizenship (circa 1934). (Equal Treatment of Women Conferring Citizenship To Children Born Abroad)
RE: Response to swtchr (Nov. 1, 2:41 am)
I would suggest that you may want to re-examine the applicable immigration and nationality law(s) quoted in your post. Public Law 103-416 relates to citizenship via “naturalization” of an individual. You also may want to review Public Law 104-208, Public Law 106-395 and other applicable INA information. The “retroactive” provision(s) posted are not applicable to President-elect Obama’s current citizenship issue(s). A “naturalized” United States’ citizen is not eligible to become either President or Vice-President of the United States.
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Over the last few months there has been a small, but growing, group of people dearly hoping to eliminate Barrak Obama as a presidential candidate due to questions concerning is citizenship status. In my opinion this is a non-issue as the Technical Knock Out (TKO) that many are hoping for will never happen. Why? Well read below and I’ll explain why. There are two separate questions on the table: (a) the legal requirements, and (b) the political influence of information on voters. Realistically speaking information which may have no relevance legally can of course have a huge impact on voter perceptions and therefore impact the results of the election. This post addresses Obama’s legal eligibility.
If we are going to defeat Obama we need to do it based on the issues and not based on some trickery of the law. We need to vote against Obama because his tax plan is bad for America. We need to vote against Obama because socialized medicine is bad for America. We need to vote against Obama because he lacks the experience to lead the greatest nation on Earth. We need to vote against Obama because his past associations show a lack of understanding of what America is truly about. Voting the candidate is something we do in the primaries trying to get our candidate into the final election, however, when it comes to the General Election we have to put sour grapes aside and decide to cast our vote based on what’s best for our country. While I disagree with McCain on certain issues, hands down he is the better candidate to lead this country for the next four years. His economic policies will be better for America then Obama’s, his leadership and moral courage are without a doubt better then Obama’s.
Constitutionally speaking there are only three requirements, (well actually four if you also read the 14th Amendment, but that would be an even tougher challenge then trying for a TKO on citizenship). Those requirements as per Article II are:
A Natural Born Citizen,
35 Years of Age,
14 Years a Resident
Now over the last few months we’ve seen multiple lawsuits challenging Obama’s technical eligibility to serve under the law based on his status as either a Natural Born Citizen or not. The Constitution, while listing it as one of the eligibility requirements, does not define what that phrase means. Does it mean you have to be born on United States soil, or, does it mean you have to derive citizenship based on birth (i.e. not a naturalized citizen). So far those challenges have been dismissed based on lack of standing, just as for fairness, was the legal challenge to Senator McCain’s eligibility. I’m disappointed on these dismissals as I truly feel there should be some mechanism in place to legally vet a candidate for public office, however it appears that will have to wait until after the election. The thrust of these challenges have been centered on a few primary possible points:
Possible Dual Citizenship
Indonesian Citizenship (by Adoption)
Born in Kenya
What does that law say about each of these possible challenges to Obama’s legal eligibility to serve in the Office of President of the United States?
Let’s review.
Possible Dual Citizenship
Some have claimed that you cannot be a citizen of the United States and hold citizenship in another country. This is not the case. In the case of Mandoli v. Acheson (1952) the United States Supreme Court clearly demonstrates that US Citizens can hold citizenship in another country and by holding such citizenship do not relinquish their rights as a United States Citizen and to relinquish citizenship requires positive action after the age of maturity.
http://supreme.justia.com/us/344/133/case.html
Indonesian Citizenship (by Adoption)
The claim is that Obama lost his United States citizenship when adopted in Indonesia. However, no adoption records have been presented, only a school registration slip listing his citizenship as Indonesian. I hate to point out, but school records are not adoption proceeding, they are applications filled out by parents trying to get their kids into school. Might he have been adopted? Maybe, maybe not – but a school registration is not proof.
But actually that whole discussion, while it might impact voters, is irrelevant to his constitutional eligibility as US Citizenship is determined by US law and not by Indonesian Law. Indonesia’s view of his dual citizenship status does not change in anyway the view of the United States’ view of his citizenship status. Under United States Law the parents of a minor child cannot relinquish the US Citizenship of that child prior to the age of 21 (law at the time) as per the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 or prior to 18 years of age (current law) per the United States Code Title 8 Section 1401. Since Obama never relinquished his citizenship after the age of maturity, and his parents could not have relinquished it for him as a minor, then he never lost his citizenship status so no naturalization or oath of allegiance would have been required.
Section 349 (a) From and after the effective date of this Act
a person who is a national of the United States whether
by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by —
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his
own application, upon an application filed in his behalf
by a parent, or duly authorized agent, or through the
naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such
person: Provided, That nationality shall not be lost
by any person under this section as a result of the
naturalization of a parent or parents while such a person
is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of
naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under
twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian,
or duly authorized agent, unless such person shall fail to
enter the United States to establish a permanent residence
prior to his twenty-fifth birthday: ….(LINK)
Born in Kenya
The final legal challenge is based on the idea that Obama was born in Kenya and his mother then flew to Hawaii to register the birth. This is the issue which generates all the discussion about his birth certificate. The perception is that the law of at the time (Immunization and Nationality Act of 1952) required that a person born to a couple where one was a US Citizen (Stanley Ann Dunham) and the other an Alien (Barrak Obama Sr, Kenyan) – that the US Citizen had to have been a citizen for 10 years, 5 of which were after the age of 14 to be able to pass citizenship to an offspring by birth. Current law as contained in USC Title 8 Section 1401 (paragraph g) states that to pass citizenship in this case the parent need only have been a citizen for 5-years two of which were after the age of 14.
But you say the law from 1952 is applicable, not the current law? Not quite.
This now appears to be incorrect as in 1994 Public Law 103-416 was passed which is the Immigration and Nationality Technical Corrections Act of 1994. This law makes current immigration law applicable retroactive to Obama’s birth in 1961. As such it does not matter if Obama was born in Kenya or in Hawaii as he would have been a citizen by birth either way. By his mother’s status if born in Kenya and by his location if born in Hawaii.
UNITED STATE CODE
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years… (LINK)
Immigration and Nationality Technical Corrections Act of 1994 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)
TITLE I–NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION
SEC. 101. EQUAL TREATMENT OF WOMEN IN CONFERRING CITIZENSHIP TO CHILDREN BORN ABROAD.
(c) RETROACTIVE APPLICATION- (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), the immigration and nationality laws of the United States shall be applied (to persons born before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this Act) as though the amendment made by subsection (a), and subsection (b), had been in effect as of the date of their birth, except that the retroactive application of the amendment and that subsection shall not affect the validity of citizenship of anyone who has obtained citizenship under section 1993 of the Revised Statutes (as in effect before the enactment of the Act of May 24, 1934 (48 Stat. 797)). (LINK)
In closing I urge all American’s to weigh the candidates and base your decision on the course you wish to set for America over the next 4-years.
God bless the USA.
This just in:
State declares Barack Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate is genuine
By Associated Press
6:43 PM EDT, October 31, 2008
HONOLULU (AP) _ State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
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(and this slightly different account:)
Friday, October 31, 2008 – 11:51 AM HAST (That means Hawaii/Aleutian Standard Time)
Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate confirmed
Pacific Business News (Honolulu)
The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate,” said Chiyome Fukino. “State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”
Citing her statutory authority to oversee and maintain Hawaii’s vital records, Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii,” Fukino added.
Lingle, a Republican, has been campaigning on the Mainland for Obama’s opponent, Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
Obama, a Democratic senator from Illinois, was born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu. He graduated high school at Punahou School in 1979.
End quote:
These two versions of the same report seem clear enough. The birth certificate is on file in Hawaii and it is valid.
However, the opponents of Obama simply will not give up. I have seen one Web comment that went along these lines: “It could have been a valid Kenyan birth certificate on file in Hawaii that the Hawaii official was talking about.”
Laughable, of course, why would a Kenyan birth certificate be filed in Hawaii?