Good Lord, lots of chemtrails this Sunday morning. Photos.
Chemtrail Sunday
November 11, 2012 by ahrcanum
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Richard, can you explain why, if these chemicals are intended to affect people, most of the “spraying” is done in unpopulated areas of the nation? You find these things over rural California, over Kansas, over Montana, over New Mexico — but rarely over New York City, Los Angeles, or Chicago. Major cities with major populations and major airports tend to get left out.
Why is that? Are chemtrails designed to put mind control on the deer and the antelope, and the trees and grasses?
Shoulda had working blockquotes:
Yes, H2O is a chemical.
That doesn’t make a claim for chemtrails any less foolish.
I offer some quick facts, real stuff from real scientists, and you come unglued.
Obviously, I hit a nerve. Why are you so defensive?
I merely offered a quick (perhaps more thorough than you wanted) explanation of natural phenomena.
What is it you have against nature? Against science?
We don’t need pointless distractions that slander good scientists and other good people, sow suspicion, and get the science wrong. There are enough skullduggers around already.
No, it’s not innocent fun to tell whopping lies.
Yeah. Water vapor, exhaust from airplane engines.
There’s a lot more coming from automobiles, but it’s rarely cold enough to make it visible.
If you’re going to worry, worry about auto exhaust. It’s much more unhealthy, much more abundant, and much tougher to do something about.
You’re seeing water vapor. Pretending it’s something else is bizarre, and destructive when it gets believed by paranoids.
It’s water vapor. It’s what happens when we combust petroleum-based fuels. It’s the exhaust of that combustion.
Government plot? No, not more than the government tries to promote economic activity. Geo-engineering? Unintentionally, but only so far as water vapor alters sunlight and clouds.
Here’s a question for you: Of all the cloud content on Earth, how much of it is water vapor from jets, and how much water vapor that got there naturally?
I gave you links to some of the best science on the topic. Your ignoring the facts is your choice. The Constitution gives you a right to believe foolish things. You have no right to spout them and expect others to buy in, nor do you have a right not to be challenged in foolishness.
You could look it up, but the FAA tries to maintain a few thousand feet separation between jets flying in different directions — jet lanes. In a thousand feet elevation, the temperature can change dramatically enough that one jet will leave visible contrails, and the other won’t.
You seem oblivious to the fact that both jets emit about the same amount of water vapor, their exhaust is roughly equivalent. Temperature means you can see the exhaust of one, and not the other.
Government plot? No, the government does not control the temperature of the air.
Ther is no denying it, and you can tell me all day long that I’m seeing things and I’ll have to agree< I am. CHEMTRAILS IN THE SKY! LOL
Yes, H2O is a chemical.
That doesn’t make a claim for chemtrails any less foolish.
Ed,
I didn’t mean to make it sound so personal and apologize for offense,Sincerely.
Sites like this are a distraction and a form of entertainment.They give people a chance to vent or tell what they’ve seen and considered starnge or crazy.
There are Four kinds of people in the world:1) People who will believe anything 2)People who will believe nothing 3) people who will only believe what they see with thier own eyes and 4) people who refuse to believe anything, even that and try to rationalize everything, even when there is no rational explaination.
There is no way to tell if someone says they are a rocket scientist and they have the explaination for this or that, I could tell you that I’m Elvis re-incarnated
This is the internet you can say whatever you want here and there is no accountability.
Take it easy!! Relax!
Truth is always stranger than fiction!
Anyone who believes that our leaders are benevolant people who only have our best interest at heart, is delusional.Their are things going on every day that affect you and I and we have no idea what they are.Thats why they have closed door meetings every day at the Whitehouse.
I am not putting Republicans above Democrats or Demacrats over Repulicans.
Their all politicians trying to get re=elected and most from what I’ve seen are quite capable of lying right to my face even when they have said the exact oppisite 2 days before.
You are obviously intelligent and well versed, but, when people start throwing Greek Salad all over the place it make you wonder,Why So Defensive?
This is a distraction from mundane daily life.
Say what you want about Chemtrails, Think what you want about them, They are real, everybody see’s them, they are all over the place, and they Are, a new phenomenum, otherwise nobody would be talking about them and this thread would noit exist.
Now are they a government plot to kill off the population?Or Geo-Engineering?or some kind of Mind Controlling Nano-bots? Who knows? What I do know is you can see one plane flying one direction and its trail dissapates quickly and another flying the oppisite direction and its trail stays in the air all day and into the next.Ther is no denying it, and you can tell me all day long that I’m seeing things and I’ll have to agree< I am. CHEMTRAILS IN THE SKY! LOL
And, look at this report from the April 2010 meeting:
Richard: Take a look at this press release — go to the AAAS site to see the videos. This stuff isn’t secret, and the video you offer rather misreports what was going on.
Try this one instead:
To my post, I gather. Fair. You’re complaining I’m not taking this issue seriously.
But I am. As I noted, I post after decades of study of these things. I cite the science, I point to scientific explanations.
While you post in reply, you do not reply to the science explanations I offer.
They are valid. They don’t get discussed here because people who, on faith, claim science is running amok, do not know how to respond to serious evidence and real science. These are not issues faith. Chemtrails shouldn’t be a religion.
Just want to be clear.
You’re preaching to a well-educated, ordained choir. I led the Washington, D.C., effort to get compensation for the Utah Downwinders, people who were radiated by fallout from our own atmospheric nuclear testing. I have walked the ground, I have visited the graves; I’ve been warned off at midnight by the Pentagon operatives who thought Orrin Hatch was anti-nuclear. I’ve sat in the hospitals with people dying of radiogenic cancers. I’ve seen the secret reports that were supposed to be destroyed, etc., etc., etc.
I staffed the Senate Labor Committee’s investigation of Building 100; I staffed the investigations of Secretary of Labor Ray Donovan. I staffed the investigations of the National Cancer Institute and a dozen others. I’ve seen stuff the government did that would curl your calloused toes and graying and balding hair.
Let me tell you, in each and every case where we have uncovered government wrong-doing, it was people working for the government who blew the whistle. They came forward with the records that exposed the problems.
Each and every case.
Let me also tell you that in almost all of those cases, there was no intent by the government to do anything that was harmful to the nation, especially not to overthrow democratic institutions or subvert the government.
Tough protections against those earlier misjudgments and errors have been put into place. If someone in the government wanted to run an experiment that involved blanketing huge swaths of Americans with harmful or behavior- or health-changing chemicals, there are protocols to follow that guarantee it doesn’t happen, just out of sheer bureaucracy. In my experience, there can be no massive conspiracies of the sort alleged here because most people are too patriotic, and at some point such a conspiracy requires the hiring and trusting of good patriots, who blow the whistle.
Yes, the government is capable of doing bad stuff. We’re one day past the anniversary of the order issued by FDR’s administration to incarcerate tens of thousands of citizens who were thought to be, potentially, sympathetic to the nation that attacked us at Pearl Harbor. I’d like to think we learn from our mistakes. President Reagan apologized (too late), and President Clinton apologized and signed the law that paid reparations; Sen Daniel Inouye was one of those incarcerated, but he went on to win the Congressional Medal of Honor fighting to defend the nation that incarcerated him and his family, in that same war.
Go figure. We are a nation of patriots. Do not every be afflicted by so much hubris that you think others do not carry in their hearts the same red-white-&-blue blood that you do, nor that it courses any slower or cooler than it does in your veins.
Your fellow citizens are not trying to turn you into zombies.
Careful calculations showed that Trinity could not do that. The concentration of fissionable material was far, far too slight. But they raised the question, and they thoroughly worked it out before they tested the bomb. They were not reckless, nor did they fail to consider potential harms to innocent civilians. The tests were conducted far away from other people.
The same question arose, with more urgency, with the atmospheric testing of the first thermonuclear weapons, the hydrogen bombs. This was thought to be a greater danger because the atmosphere contains a lot more hydrogen, which is the ultimate fuel in a hydrogen bomb. But again, the calculations showed that the hydrogen was not heavy enough (the bombs used deuterium, or heavy hydrogen), nor in great enough concentrations, and besides, it was bound up in water, and would not sustain a fusion reaction. They were right. Again, they were not reckless, nor did they fail to consider potential harms to innocent civilians.
This may come as some surprise to you, but there is a panel convened regularly, still, to consider such issues with regard to nuclear and sub-atomic particle research — if I recall correctly, under the aegis of the National Science Foundation (which has been advising presidents since Lincoln, with roots back to advice offered to John Adams), the American Physical Society (which is a private group), and the American Academy for the Advancement of Science, which is also private, and the National Research Council. It’s been quite interesting during the search for the Higgs particle, because of the possibility of creating little black holes. Would they grow and swallow the planet? Turns out they don’t — but these scientists raised the issue first, and thoroughly checked it out before doing anything.
Now, there was a massive goof on one of the tests on Bikini, and the yield was about 15 megatons instead of 5 megatons (IIRC), which blew away a lot of the monitoring stuff and dramatically radiated the place much more than planned — but that accident had enough safety features that even the men on the island in the bunker that nearly turned into an oven, got away without radiation sickness (and lived 50+ years to tell the tale).
The Trinity test was done in pursuit of stopping the German quest for the same weapon. I do not doubt in any way that, had the Nazis gotten an atomic bomb, London would not be with us today, and we might all be speaking German.
But again, there were patriots running those programs, people who did not want to harm anyone unnecessarily — people who were pacifists and who pleaded with Truman not to use the weapons on the Japaneses out of a sense of fairness.
Screw ups? I can probably explain in detail more than you’ve ever thought about, at the Marysville, Utah uranium mine, at the Navajo reservation uranium mine and mill, at Oak Ridge at the cascades, at Los Alamos (everyone should have read Dick Feynman’s biographies, and know very well the security issues Feynman detailed as well as the spying of Klaus Fuchs). Yes, there were screw ups way beyond what you know.
These people are still patriots, not wishing to hurt you.
You’ve short-handed that one so much I don’t recognize it. Yes, we also used to have fluoroscopes in shoe shops to check out the fit of children’s shoes. Dr. C. Everett Koop led the campaign against those cancer machines, in the 1950s.
Lots of screw ups. Lots of patriots exposing them.
Look up Skull Valley and the Tooele Army Depot. I staffed those hearings, too. Yes, I know. And those programs have been exposed and amended, and the weapons destroyed.
I don’t think there is a secret program to do you harm that could be kept secret. I don’t think there is a program designed to experiment on unwilling and uninformed human participants.
As for chemtrails, there are too many people who would have to be involved to keep it secret, especially if every contrail were to contain something harmful and secret. If you doubt me, let me show you the bars where the airplane mechanics from Boeing drink, and I’ll let you accuse them of harming you. Or the bars in Tulsa where the American Airlines mechanics take care of their airplanes, or the old TWA facility in Kansas City, or the United facilities in Denver and Houston, or . . .
Do you know many airplane mechanics? Still about 50% of them are veterans. The really radical patriots are the non-vets who feel they were deprived of the opportunity to work on the coolest jet planes. They work on those planes to protect you, not to harm you.
Let me repeat: Airplane mechanics, more patriotic than average Americans and many veterans, work on airplanes to protect you, not to harm you.
We survived Reagan and W — those are the administrations you’d need to worry about. Reagan’s group tried to roll back the protections against research on human subjects, but the researchers balked.
If you have the kind of mentality that is hubristic enough to think you’re a lot better than every other patriot, then I wouldn’t expect you ever to understand.
I also should warn you: Don’t go drinking with the airplane mechanics. If you accused them, they’d disabuse you of your hubris, but probably in a painful way.
It’s also our duties as citizens to be sure we’re not asking silly questions, or questions that have already been answered well, or questions that can’t be answered, or questions for which we refuse to accept any answer.
Do you have a degree in meteorology? Surveys show meteorologists are among the most “skeptical” of the near science groups — TV and radio guys stand against global warming about 45% to 40%.
In other words, they’re nuts and they’re into conspiracies. And they don’t support the chemtrails stuff.
We also have a duty as citizens to make sure our government works — it is, after all, We the People. It is our duty not to be gullible and gum up the works so that things cannot get done, so that innocents get tarred as evil.
I gave you the meteorology of the recently-noted cloud and contrails phenomenon. You haven’t offered any rebuttal except to impugn our government. If you expect me to take you seriously, you’ll need better.
I know when and where our government has lied. Chemtrails is neither that place or time.
Climate change is solid theory, and sadly, it’s the best explanation for the rapidly accelerating warming we’re seeing around the world. Not “proven?”
Gravity isn’t proven either. You don’t have science to disprove gravity theory, though, and anything you have against global warming is probably weaker than what you have against gravity.
Right. And who told you that? Martians? The same aliens who pump gas into your bedroom at night? (“Climate Council on Global Warming? I can’t find that group, but let’s assume you’ve made an innocent mistake. There are groups studying climate change and warming. They don’t lie as a practice, they don’t invent data.)
There have been five serious investigations into whether key scientists in global warming have reported false data — they were cleared five times.
In any case, not even the warming “skeptics” go with the chemtrails stuff.
They are separate issues, except that I find, way too often, people without the science or reasoning chops to understand warming, also don’t understand how water vapor from airplane engines makes clouds. Next you’ll tell me Darwin was an atheist (he wasn’t), wrong about evolution theory (wrong — we know evolution theory much better than we know gravity theory), and that whooping cough vaccinations will make children into zombies or something.
I don’t find it a virtue or a feature that you reject science and reason in more than one area. I see an unfortunate trend that does not improve your credibility with me.
Sir, your false accusations are even more groundless than your skepticism in science. I offered an explanation for sun dogs and intermittent contrails.
You see fact and reason in science as a conspiracy?
Tell your physician. She, or he, will want to know.
Got a better explanation that doesn’t involve accusing millions of Americans of a lack of patriotism?
No, I didn’t think so. That’s why you didn’t offer any alternative to the simple meteorology I offered before.
I’m happy to discuss, with people who can discuss rationally. You’ve offered a long ramble, one that involves impugning the motives and actions of millions of patriotic Americans and thousands of honest scientists — and you’ve offered not a whit of a reason why the simple science I offered does not cover the topic completely.
That syndrome may be described somewhere in the bowels of the American Psychological Association’s list of mind issues, but it’s not a result of chemicals from airplanes.
I post this in reply.Our Government is capable of doing all sorts of sordid things in what it considers our best interest.
There was a school of thought, that when they tested the first Nuclear Weapon it might set the atmospher on fire,They did it anyway.
They injected pregnant woman with Radioactive Material to see what effects it might have on Fetuses,The United States is engaged in Bio Weaponry research, right now, and have been for years.
Do you really think they want us to know?
If you have that kind of Mentality your living under the right administration.It Is our duty to question our elected officials and hold them accountable, in order to prevent further attrocities against humanity.
Global warming is something that has never been proven, however it hasn’t stoppped some among our elected officials to do anything thery think they can get away with to combat it. The Climate Councel onGlobal Warming outright lied and invented Data to push their agenda.
It almost sounds to me like your working for them, the way you casually dismiss any attempt to expose what might be a cover up, that might have catastrophic affects on our health.Aluminum particals and other chemicals can cause a lot of health issues.
Here’s a good site that explains how contrails drift and offer “seeds” to form clouds: http://docweather.com/2/show/40/
See esp. Figure 1
Look for photos of sundogs. It’s a common phenomenon, especially in the often-cloudless skies of the American west (are you west of the Mississippi?)
Temperatures drop dramatically with an increase in altitude. Often what looks to us to be clear air is close to saturated with water, even without a cloud, considering the temperature. Minor disturbances in temperatures, or a stirring of the wind, can cause clouds to form spontaneously, even small ones.
Often these clouds provide vapor that is immediately frozen into tiny ice particles. Either snow or ice will offer a rainbow effect when the sun shines through it. We call these glittering events “sundogs.”
Sundogs often get confused as flying objects. They are not uncommon at all. See more, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog
What could cause an intermittent condensation trail? Jets at jet-lane altitudes are required by the FAA to maintain a consistent altitude. But the atmosphere is a fluid. Just as waves develop on water, sometimes there are waves in the atmosphere at the line between two different levels differentiated by temperature, or speed, or humidity. If you’ve flown commercially much, you’re familiar with the pilots’ warning passengers that the aircraft is coming into “choppy air.”
All that means is that the aircraft is going to be hitting some of those waves in the air.
If there is a temperature difference, just at the dew point, when the aircraft is in the colder air, it will leave a contrail. When it hits a slightly warmer wave, there is no contrail.
What you saw was an airplane flying through waves in the atmosphere, waves of different temperature, probably the upper one just below the dew point, and the lower one just above the dew point. When the airplane was in the cooler air, it left contrails. When it was in the warmer air, it didn’t.
It was spraying exhaust, which is water vapor, mostly, when combustion is good.
The other day my daughter and I were driving along when I noticed a little cloud out all by itself.It was glittering like a rainbow.
My daughter thought it was pretty but I didn’t think so.I have never seen anything like that in my life.It was a sunny day and it was not a raincloud.
Then yesterday I saw a jet streaking across the sky and it was leaving an intermitten trail behind it.It if was a contrail it should have left a consistant trail.
Ity appeared that whatever it was spraying had a clog in the supply line.
They are spraying something!!!
Great — still, I’d prefer to see a reference to an authoritative source, or at least links to them from your stuff.
Thanks.
Water vapor sometimes stays up, sometimes comes down — but there is always vapor in the air. Gravity only brings it down when it precipitates — otherwise it stays up.
Where does rainwater fall? Are you seriously asking that question?
And yes, the pollution from coal-fired power plants falls into our waterways, into our drinking water, on plants, on fields, and on livestock. That’s why we work so hard to limit air pollution.
Do you really want clean air? Write your Congressman and tell her or him to vote to keep the EPA fighting to clean the air.
Thank you.
When those ‘chemical trails’ are in the sky. Where do you think it goes? Up. Or Down? Gravity brings it down. Then where does it go? In our waterways. Drinking systems. Plants. Fields of crops which enters our livestock (food). Your body, clothing, home and in the air–we breath this air.
Read — then read the last page… note ‘May God Help Us All.’
I am Lissa. And Ed, as a literal life-long researcher, I wouldn’t nor couldn’t make these kind of things up.
It’s just too darn sad. Mind you, this is going on all over the world.
Don’t take my word or so many others on this serious issue even after reading the above document. Rather, next time you go out. Look-up and I mean really, really look at that blue sky and tell me it doesn’t look dirty. Off color. Than watch as their spraying X Marks the spot and define to me what it is they’re doing.
Do your research. It took me a long time till I realized professionals from all over the world including govt whistleblowers were and are telling the truth.
Read other’s authentic documents like the above. Than think. Later… decide.
Peace
Oops, I erred: There is some barium used in jet fuel: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxguides/toxguide-24.pdf
That’s not a good research source. It’s a page of baffle gab put up by some person named “Lissa.”
Would you know her?
1. Contrails don’t just fade away, if it’s cold enough. Their contribution to cloud formation is a topic of meteorology studies for the past 60 years.
2. The tests the government confessed to making were biological tests — bacteria, usually — and running them through jet engines would chemically alter them, and kill them. Jets at cruising altitude can’t work. There was nothing in those hearings about using jet combustion to spread chemicals.
3. Barium contamination in the air most often comes from coal mining and burning in coal-fired power plants. You can capture some if you put out a plate coated with Vaseline, or if you use distilled water in a bucket exposed for a week or four. That’s a common pollutant measuring tactic. Barium from coal would be much greater than barium from jet-fuel.
Does this guy live anywhere near a coal-fired powerplant?
http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/30/secret-presidential-chemtrail-budget-uncovered-exceeds-billions-to-spray-populations-like-roaches/
Let’s go straight to hard evidence; the Source:
Debate with them and Congress.
http://lissakr11humanelife.wordpress.com/chemtrails-dod-directives-allow-for-chemtial-toxic-dumping-on-us-and-abroad/
Chemtrails dump toxins, chemicals on human-kind and might be considered under a DOD Directive 5240.1-R: Human Testing on U.S. Persons used on ‘US Citizens in America and abroad as human subjects.‘ Chemtrails create electric charges. See Why and What in the World are they Spraying and think electronic charges, titanium, barium aluminum.
If your human. You’re a subject.
Water vapor. It’s the exhaust from jets. Nothing else.
Fish gotta swim, planes gotta fly.
Reblogged this on USA COINTELPRO VICTIM OF THE PATRIOT ACT.
Good site.
Naysayers/Trolls/Shills tell them to the late- Ex-FBI Great TED GUNDERSON And the rest of the FBI whom surely respect him (700-800 under him)
What on Earth are they Spraying
Why on Earth are they Spraying: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=YouTube+What+Are+They+Spraying&mid=7CA22233CC7F37509B5B7CA22233CC7F37509B5B&view=detail&FORM=VIRE4
All we know is that it was unusually warm and a sunny day was obscured by jet trails.
LOL Ed Darrell,reading your comments,i find highly amusing & extremely entertaining,but as a former speechwriter,im somehow disappointed in your limited vocabulary,but great stuff ! LOL
Same kid runs the chemtrails hoax.
DHMO is a Hoax by a 14 yr Old ,run on Rockefeller Foundation Cash http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax
The chemical there is a combination produced by combustion, hydrogen and oxygen in a compound sometimes known as dihydrogen monoxide. It kills several thousands of people every year, and it’s so prevalent now that it comes in human mother’s milk, in rather high concentrations.
You should, perhaps, look it up.
Here: http://www.dhmo.org/