President Obama will release his birth certificate while on his Hawaiian vacation! You believe that, I’ve got some carbon credits to sell, cheap!
Interrupting his vacation in Hawaii for the second time, instead he spoke about the Christmas attempted airplane bombing.
“Had this critical information been shared, it could have been compiled with other intelligence, and a fuller, clearer picture of the suspect would have emerged,” Obama said in a brief statement to the media. “The warning signs would have triggered red flags, and the suspect would have never been allowed to board that plane for America.” Officials said Obama chose to make a second statement in as many days because a morning briefing offered him new information in the government’s possession about the suspect’s activities and thinking, along with al-Qaida’s plans.http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CTB5BG0&show_article=1
While in Hawaii, President Obama ought to put an end to all the birther arguments that he is not a usurper, but we all know that is not going to happen. As he mentions in his press statement- “intelligence for a clear picture,” the red flags still exist regarding his citizenship. Numerous court cases have challenged President Obama’s natural born citizenship under Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution that says that the president be a “natural born citizen.” Only he can make them go away.
Following the continuing legal onslaught is The Right Side of Life, which offers a current listing of pending lawsuits. http://www.therightsideoflife.com/current-lawsuit-listing/
Hawaii officials haven’t helped matters, issuing statements claiming that they have President Obama’s authenticated copy- alas, not an original as they made the switch to electronic documents years ago. So what kind of document has fact check been presenting all this time? A forgery? What are they claiming to have seen? http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Berg, Wells, Donofrio, Martin and others have sought to use the courts in a reasonable, mostly respectful manner to require President Obama to produce his birth certificate. Obama continues to waste the courts time and money to keep it sealed. What is there to hide. The Truth?
Self proclaiming the, “World’s Leading Obama Eligibility Challenge Web Site,” is Orly Taitz, esq., http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=7074 who has apparently gone off the deep end asking:
What is the real intention of this Kenyan, Indonesian communist usurper? Is it to provide security for us or to destroy our security? Judge for yourself. Seeing targeted destruction of our economy, our security, dissipation of American jobs, massive corruption in the Government, Congress Department of Justice and Judiciary, it might be time to start rallies and protests using our second amendment right to bare arms and organise in militias.” http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=7074
Rallies and Protests with guns? Organize militias? The Tea Party mentality of today does not advocate violence against anyone, only peaceable change mainly by voting out officials. Maybe she posted drunk on eggnog? Whatever credibility she had, is gone.
With props to http://citizenwells.wordpress.com , directing us to http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/12/what-is-putative-president-obamas.html Mario Apuzzo, Esq., offers 30 legitimate fed flags of concern regarding his citizenship, and closes with the following statement:
Hence, if Obama was not born in the United States, under the Fourteenth Amendment he is neither a United States citizen by birth on United States soil nor one by naturalization. (There is no existing evidence that Obama was ever naturalized.) Nor would he qualify to be a United States citizen by any act of Congress by being born abroad to a United States citizen parent. If this scenario were proven to be true (being neither a born nor a naturalized citizen), it can be reasonably argued that Obama is an undocumented alien. Obama has refused to release his identity documents to the public which causes such theories to exist. It is this reason which shows the importance of the American people being able to access Obama’s records (birth certificate, travel, education, and employment records) to intelligently learn his exact citizenship status. Surely, the United States cannot have a possible undocumented alien be its President. People must keep pressing Obama that he releases his personal documents so that they may at least learn that the President is at least a “citizen of the United States” which again still does not make him an Article II “natural born Citizen.”
Read the whole Washington Post investigative journalism thingie, on the background of the bomber and you too, can join the millions of others who now know more about the college years of the Undi-bomber than they do those of the President of the United States. via http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013005.html
The entire issue of natural born citizen is quite the legal conundrum. Among other sites, the folks at http://therightwing.net/index.php/2008/12/09/the-natural-born-citizen-case-explained/ have an easy explanation of the natural born citizen clause and its merit to our laws for Presidency.
Imagine the merits or detriments that could occur if President Obama himself, personally went to collect his birth certificate with the news media in tow. That would make a wonderful way to begin the New Year, with truth, honesty, integrity and transparency.
Happy New Year anyway.
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Re: “What matters is the fact that his father was NOT a US Citizen at the time of Obama’s birth. Obama freely admits that he was born with dual-citizenship (US/British) and that he was governed AT BIRTH by British Law.”
Since the original meaning of Natural Born was simply “born in the country,” the fact that a father was not a citizen or that Obama had dual nationality has absolutely no effect. That is why although the birthers tried to get the members of the Electoral College to change their votes, all 365 of the votes that Obama won on Nov 4, 2008 went to him. Not one elector thought that Obama was not a Natural Born Citizen either because of his place of birth or because his father was not a citizen or because of dual nationality.
Seven presidents have had parents who were at one time not US citizens. Andrew Jackson had two. Some birthers claim that Andy Jacson’s parents had been naturalized before he was born. There is no proof of it.
The meaning of Natural Born is simply “born in the country.” That is why why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:
“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)
Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)
He released the physical copy of the Certification to BOTH FactCheck and Politifact (which is run by the St. Petersburg Times of Fla.) Whom did McCain, Bush or Clinton release the physical copy of their birth certificates to?
PS- Annenberg owns FactCheck.org. Ayers appointed Obama as a founding member and I’d have to do a double ck but I think the CEO of Annenberg Chicago. In a court of law, I think one would have to recuse the source for a conflict of interest.
Sally Ann- thx for trying to fix the first poster, Ann’s misconceptions. Couldn’t have done it better myself! Happy New Year!
Re: “YES, HE CAN! He may have to verbally request it in person, but believe me, can can request and receive a certified copy of his original long-form birth certificate. Trust me, they have it – Fukino says she has seen it and it is MAINTAINED ON FILE.”
You can ask for anything. Hawaii clearly says that it will not send out anything but a COLB.
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Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html)
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Re “Records” Records can be either plural or singular. When someone says “I have looked at the records,” that can mean “I have looked at the files.” We often say “I looked at the files, when there is only one file.” Hawaii maintains many records. Fukino looked at the Obama records and found PROOF that he was born in Hawaii, which she said repeatedly.
Do you need to be reminded that she is an official in a Republican governor’s administration and what would happen to her if she lied about the document proving that Obama was born in Hawaii?
IN addition to the official COLB, which has been confirmed repeatedly by the two officials in Hawaii, and the notices in the newspapers (which were sent out by the government of Hawaii for births in Hawaii and not for births outside of Hawaii), there is this witness, who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961 (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html).
There is absolutely no proof or even a credible report that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. His Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii.
Ann – you really need to do some research before you continue to post all over the Internet.
As I asked you on another site, did you in fact, research those ‘professionals’ over at factcheck.org – you know, those ‘professionals’ that viewed, handled, and vouched for the COLB that is printed on their website? If so, could you tell us just exactly what field their ‘expertise’ is in? Until then, please, please, please spare us the claim of that site to represent anything truthful or valid.
Interestingly, you did not use Fukino’s original statement, only her second one. Well, lets that a good look at her second statement:
”I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”
If we take out all the hoopla, here is what we would have:
‘I have seen the original vital records maintained on file stating that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.’
Hummmm…record(s)? How many original birth record(s) do you have? I only have one – why does Obama have more than one?
Hummmm…maintained on file? Her original statement said his original BC was ON RECORD in accordance with state policies and procedures. Her original statement referred to the fact that she personally viewed the INDEX data that showed his BC was maintained on file – while the INDEX data is ON RECORD in accordance with state policies and procedures.
You see – her original statement did NOT state that she had personally seen and verified his BC – simply that she has personally seen and verified that they were on file.
So – why does her second statement only state that his original BC is MAINTAINED ON FILE and not ON RECORD IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES?
She can’t honestly say that, because his original BC has never been ACCEPTED either as it was submitted or perhaps because it has been amended. Either way – please take note of the COLB at factcheck.org – you will notice that the image says – Date Filed by Registrar – but it does NOT say Date Accepted by Registrar, because it has never been accepted. It is sitting at the DOH in limbo, waiting for information contained thereon to be verified so that it can then be accepted and placed ON RECORD IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
Furthermore, why would she break up the phrase, Natural Born Citizen and state Obama is a natural-born American citizen. Why would she not use the exact wording contained in the Constitution, unless there was some reason?
Both of Fukino’s statements were carefully worded. Stop reading into them what you wish them to say, and read them for exactly what they DO say.
Irregardless of where Obama was born. Personally, I believe he was born in Hawaii. That doesn’t matter. What matters is the fact that his father was NOT a US Citizen at the time of Obama’s birth. Obama freely admits that he was born with dual-citizenship (US/British) and that he was governed AT BIRTH by British Law.
How can someone governed AT BIRTH by British Law be a Natural Born Citizen – with a single allegiance to only one nation? He was born with dual-allegiances – which one takes precedent and how would we ever really know?
Ann, please do some research before you continue to misinform with your posts.
Another sticking point is your claim that he cannot request a copy of his original long-form. YES, HE CAN! He may have to verbally request it in person, but believe me, can can request and receive a certified copy of his original long-form birth certificate. Trust me, they have it – Fukino says she has seen it and it is MAINTAINED ON FILE.
How could she have seen original vital records when they supposedly went digital years ago? She saw a copy that even no one else has seen so why wouldn’t Pres O just go get a copy and show it to the press?
Obama has posted and shown to both FactCheck and Politifact, the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. Yes, it is a short form certificate, but it is the ONLY one that Hawaii sends out. It no longer sends out copies of the original to anyone, even the person named on the document. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html).
Obama cannot show the original because he does not have it. All that he has is what Hawaii sent him, and that was the Certification of Live Birth. However, that is the official birth certificate, and it is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by all the departments in Hawaii (Yes, including DHHL. I checked.) And, it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the Military.
The Wall Street Journal commented:
“Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.
The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not “resolve the issue” to those for whom it is not already resolved. They claim without basis that today’s birth certificate is a fake; there is nothing to stop them from claiming without basis that yesterday’s is as well.”
The facts on Obama’s posted Certification have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii. Yes, these were confirmations of the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii. You will see the simple words: “Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii” in the statement below.
This is the most recent statement: “”I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”
And this is the statement of the official spokeswoman for the DoH that accompanied the earlier official statement:
“Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”
In addition, there is even a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii in 1961 (because she wrote about the unusual event of a woman named Stanley having a baby to her father, also named Stanley) (http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html).
Also, there is absolutely no evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. His Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii.